Wales becomes Trumpton

[motorbiking]

"However, car drivers are much more likely to be injured in collisions at higher speeds."

https://www.rospa.com/media/documents/road-safety/inappropriate-speed-factsheet.pdf

Nobody is arguing that inappropriate speed is safe.

 

[Brigadier]

You want evidence that, in a collision, 20 is safer than 30? And to think I was accused of trolling..

No.
Carman stated that [others have claimed that a collision at 30 is safer than one at 20].
#782

I said that if this was true, he should have no trouble posting up an example.


Fwiw, I suspect he doesn't mean what he typed, but inferring gets short shrift so I have took him at his word.

 

[denso13]

Why do you try to ignore important elements of driving psychology?

I'm not ignoring anything. It doesn't negate the fact that being in a collision at 20mph is magnitudes safer than one at 50mph.

 

[denso13]

It isn’t better if the side effect is a loss of concentration or over compensation

Of course it is. Losing concentration and causing a collision generally has a better outcome at 20 rather than 50. I can't understand what is so controversial about that.

 

[Brigadier]

I can't understand what is so controversial about that

Because, blanket-enforcing 20mph is disproportionate for the evidenced level of risk of higher speed limits on appropriate roads.

I can't understand why you don't understand that.

 

[denso13]

Because, blanket-enforcing 20mph is disproportionate for the evidenced level of risk of higher speed limits on appropriate roads.

I disagree.

 

[motorbiking]

Without evidence

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You should have no trouble posting an example up then.

You need an example? Really?

Rospa.

 

[Brigadier]

I disagree.

Why not 10 mph then?

5 mph?

Ban all motor vehicles altogether?

 

[denso13]

Without evidence

Like Brigs claim, but you were happy with that.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No.
Carman stated that [others have claimed that a collision at 30 is safer than one at 20].
#782

I said that if this was true, he should have no trouble posting up an example.


Fwiw, I suspect he doesn't mean what he typed, but inferring gets short shrift so I have took him at his word.

Try reading what mbk says !

 

[denso13]

Why not 10 mph then?

5 mph?

Ban all motor vehicles altogether?

We are discussing the 20mph limits in Wales.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Why not 10 mph then?

5 mph?

Ban all motor vehicles altogether?

It's safer. But is it better ?

 

[Brigadier]

You need an example? Really?

Rospa.

An example of someone saying "a collision at 20 is more damaging than one at 30", like you claimed some poster(s) on here had said.

Like I said, as you claimed.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

An example of someone saying "a collision at 20 is more damaging than one at 30", like you claimed some poster(s) on here had said.

Like I said, as you claimed.

I'm not going back to dig it out.

But read what mbk has claimed