What if Reform won? (Farage emergency announcement at 4pm)

aveatry said:
Its this kind of thing from the far left that makes me think they are really rattled by farage. The amount of anti reform posts trying to influence voting is almost like Russian bots. Why all the sudden anti farage posts if the left were not worried.
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Reform only affect Conservatives so no the left arent worried

the left hate Farage because he is a dishonest grifter, a populist like Trump, he ramps up hatred of foreigners
 
aveatry said:
Nope - I see them more as a brake on labours march to the far left
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I would be interested to see how you arrived at that theory

Labour were taken left by Corbyn, which failed

the Corbyn cultists hate Starmer because he has taken the party back to the centre left and made it electable
the cultists have mostly moved to infest the Green party
 
Notch7 said:
the left hate Farage because he is a dishonest grifter, a populist like Trump, he ramps up hatred of foreigners
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It's nothing to do with whatever political side you are on, it's about seeing through his racism...

He's using the same rhetoric as in the years prior to 2016, because he knows plenty of ignorant people will get sucked in by his lies ;)
 
It's not so much 'his' racism as the attitudes reflected back to him from those who'd advocate his policies being implemented in full by Parliament. They blame Tories for immigration being so high because of a half-hearted approach that does 'nothing to stop the boats'. Farage doesn't actually lie about those figures but twists them by misrepresenting the true figure to make it look worse than it really is because it suits him.
If @aveatry wants a 'sensible discussion' about the Reform manifesto then he should quote what Richard Tice actually says about migration in the document and take it from there.
 
Odds said:
It's not so much 'his' racism as the attitudes reflected back to him from those who'd advocate his policies being implemented in full by Parliament. They blame Tories for immigration being so high because of a half-hearted approach that does 'nothing to stop the boats'. Farage doesn't actually lie about those figures but twists them by misrepresenting the true figure to make it look worse than it really is because it suits him.
If @aveatry wants a 'sensible discussion' about the Reform manifesto then he should quote what Richard Tice actually says about migration in the document and take it from there.
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This is what interests me and yes, it's hypothetical, perhaps extremely so. Imagine if they (Reform) got in, and then followed through on their promise to physically turn small boats back. So they do that, and the first boat turned back overturns on its return passage and all on board die, including women and children.

Do all Reform voters and supporters think 'ah well, shame but at least they're doing something about it.'

Rather, I suspect even Reform would need to water down much of their harder rhetoric and policies. To what extent would be interesting to know.
 
Odds said:
It's not so much 'his' racism
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Hmm...

Apparently garbage said "there are streets in Oldham where no-one speaks english"

Sounds like racism to me!

When challenged about his children speaking german, he didn't want to say why they do and how being bilingual could be confused with 'not speaking english'...

Let alone that they enjoy a freedom of movement that he denied millions of the younger UK generations that he himself enjoyed!

I wonder if he has to comply with the 3 months out of 6 months EU/EEA/UK travel rule? ;)
 
Farage has said that he has already boosted their poll rating. LOL He also mentioned that in the last year of Labour 45,000 were deported. Then comes up with the reason for the change as he sees it Pure bull ****. The legal aspects just increase the time taken. The real problem is a cut in processing rates. Cutting that encourages people to come. Immigration - the boat people - in some ways these people are a rather different problem.

Farage - well he is sitting pretty. Doesn't see any chance of achieving actual power in the house with him as PM so can say what ever he likes. Something the Libs have done for a long time,. Coalition time - much of what they offered vanished,

When asked why Reform is a company he pretended to yawn. He's a major share holder.

LOL Sunak's lot after removing visa caps says he is going to restore them. No numbers - vote on it year by year. I think even the dim witted would realise why they would have to do that - the reason for the caps being removed is an obvious aspect. The oh so simple changes - fact is they would take many years to achieve anything if they can. Labour answer - penalise companies that employ people this way when they needn't. Change the employment rules. Rory the Tory doesn't like the sound of that but admits the the OBR see it as a good idea. What happens if some low income people are paid more - they need less support. Rapid changes - probably not but a sensible direction.
 
Mottie said:
Got up to let the dog out for a shìt - saw that one of our new ovens was asking for an update, chose 'yes' and cocked it all up! Had time on my hands while it was doing that. Language changed to German and when it was done, it went into shop display mode. Tried to correct that, gave up at 4.00, switched it off at the mains and went back to bed. Still stuck in display mode at the moment. Going to have to get on to Neff - apparently they can 'take over' the oven from their office and make settings through my 'home connect' account. Poxy connected devices!
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What is the purpose of an oven being that complicated? They have a pretty simple function.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
There will be 1000's in the UK who are perfectly fit to lead our country, unfortunately none of them will have gone into politics ;) a bit like the USA having a choice between Biden and Trump for their president!

You might have seen earlier in this thread I mentioned it would be interesting to see how a party like Reform would actually function if in government with a decent majority. i.e. having to deliver for real, not from the sidelines. If they went hardcore on things like immigration, what would that actually look like and what would the knock-on consequences be for the country socioeconomically?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the Tories for essentially being useless when it comes to immigration, whether by design, incompetence or both I don't know. However, when in power, our governing party is trying to represent all members of the public, at least that's the theory.

So if we had a party like Reform governing, how would they achieve that i.e. representing all? This comes back to my point, it's easy to say 'we'd be TOUGH on this that the other!' when you don't actually have to deliver.
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Some fair comments here. All I know Is the other two parties are ****e... I also know the HO underpin most of what goes on anyway so whilst policies may change. It's them that take the brunt. What we need though is a shift in attitude from a strong leader. I dont see one anywhere.
 
festive said:
All I know Is the other two parties are ****e...
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What you choose to ignore is the UK's own particular problems. Pretty common problem all over the world. You assume there are simple solutions and some will encourage you to do that.

Parties that can finish up in power have to be more sensible when they get there. Your left with a choice of various levels of left or right wing views.

Comments about Corbyn amuse me. What was he really at? Petty simple really. At the time money was cheap so borrow it and get on with it. Debt levels increase for specific reasons and that in itself could have caused him problems. The emergency rates were supposed to increase investment levels. Didn't work out well as too much uncertainty around for businesses to feel like investing.
 
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