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Not to mention, as witnessed the other week the bubbling undercurrent in the numbers of new arrivals to the city of Dublin in unprecedented numbers to causing social tensions.
 
Yes, we need a concerted effort on controlling this.
 
Vinty said:
Easy to have a surplus if you don't spend anything on defence or have a public health service like the NHS.
If you ring for an ambulance down there and you don't have insurance, you get a bill.
If your house catches fire, its the same.
Huge numbers of homeless.
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That is true.

A charity recently said 1000 people become homeless a month in NI, things are pretty bad there
 
Vinty said:
Easy to have a surplus if you don't spend anything on defence or have a public health service like the NHS.
If you ring for an ambulance down there and you don't have insurance, you get a bill.
If your house catches fire, its the same.
Huge numbers of homeless.
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Seems you are telling porkies

Ireland has a comprehensive, government-funded, public health system. As such, the overall standards of healthcare system in Ireland are very high. At present, the national medical system is covered by the 2004 Health Act. This legislation established a new body, the Irish Health Service Executive, to be responsible for providing medical and social services. Today, nearly 40% of the population receives medical care at absolutely no cost. The remainder receives heavily subsidized services through the public system or they choose to opt for private insurance coverage
 
Notch7 said:
Seems you are telling porkies
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You ignore that you have to pay a fee for A&E attendance 100 EURO I recall.

Charges for hospital services

Charges that patients may have to pay for out-patient and in-patient services in public hospitals. Also describes long stay charges.
www.citizensinformation.ie www.citizensinformation.ie

And the fire service charge 500 euro. minimum

Fire Brigade Charges

Fire Brigade charges
www.dublincity.ie www.dublincity.ie


maybe you might want to apologise?
 
motorbiking said:
You ignore that you have to pay a fee for A&E attendance 100 EURO I recall.

Charges for hospital services

Charges that patients may have to pay for out-patient and in-patient services in public hospitals. Also describes long stay charges.
www.citizensinformation.ie www.citizensinformation.ie
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You're being disingenune with your information:
If you attend an emergency department without being referred there by a GP, there is a charge of €100.
There is no charge if you are referred by a GP (bring your referral letter with you).
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From your link.

motorbiking said:
And the fire service charge 500 euro. minimum

Fire Brigade Charges

Fire Brigade charges
www.dublincity.ie www.dublincity.ie
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Another case of misleading inofrmation:
Some household insurance policies will cover the charge.
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From your link.

There are a range of services that UK Fire Service will also charge.


motorbiking said:
maybe you might want to apologise?
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You may want to think about what information you choose to provide.
 
You might want to read the argument before jumping in..:rolleyes:

Vinty said :
If you ring for an ambulance down there and you don't have insurance, you get a bill.
If your house catches fire, it's the same.

Notch Said
seems you are telling pokies

Vinty is correct.

You on the other hand are clueless as usual.. :rolleyes:
 
motorbiking said:
You might want to read the argument before jumping in..:rolleyes:

Vinty said :
If you ring for an ambulance down there and you don't have insurance, you get a bill.
If your house catches fire, it's the same.

Notch Said
seems you are telling pokies

Vinty is correct.

You on the other hand are clueless as usual.. :rolleyes:
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Your response was a typical selective quoting. You did not cover the cases of who or when people are charged. You presented it as a blanket policy applying to everyone. It is not. it only applies to people arriving at a hospital without a Dr's reference or excluded from a wide range of exemptions.

You aslo presented and confirmed Vinty's argument that the fire service charges as peculiar to Ireland, they're not. UK fire services also charge for some services.
As indeed do the Ambulance services in UK for certain instances.
 
Swivel and swerve as much as you like.

Was Vinty correct or not?

There is also no comparison to UK charges
 
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motorbiking said:
Swivel and swerve as much as you like.

Was Vinty correct or not?

There is also no comparison to UK charges
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I'm not the one swiveling and swerving.
I'm the one making the accusation that you typically select a phrase or group of phrases, intentionally omitting the normal qualifying exemptions, in order to support your presentaton of a 'blanket' application. Which, in normal verifying of your links, proves that the supposed blanket application does not, in reality, exist.

Vinty was correct, but yet again presented the 'facts' as a blanket application which most people would be exempt. And in reality it would be difficult to see how that would cause homelessness.

There was no comparison to UK charges. I introduced that to show that the Irish approach is not unique to Ireland, and there have been no cases of people becoming homeless based on such charges.
 
motorbiking said:
Swivel and swerve as much as you like.

Was Vinty correct or not?

There is also no comparison to UK charges
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motorbiking said:
You ignore that you have to pay a fee for A&E attendance 100 EURO I recall.
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Vinty is wrong

The charge was dropped in April

and before that people with a medical.card didn't pay. (Those on lower incomes)

Vinty has been caught out once again, he tried to imply Ireland had an elitist private expensive healthcare system. Untrue.
 
motorbiking said:
If you ring for an ambulance down there and you don't have insurance, you get a bill.
If your house catches fire, it's the same
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Ireland citizen advice:

"These ambulance services are free, and you will not be charged by the National Ambulance Service or the Dublin Fire Brigade."
 
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