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Is There a Worklessness Crisis?
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All very well, but I don't know how people survive on these types of benefits. Don't think it would even pay my utilities.
That's an interesting moral dilemma. Did you stop working because of poor health?
One of the big changes with the move from Tax Credits to Universal Credit is that you can't do that anymore. These self-employed claimants are the last ones to be moved over, but I think it's starting now.
Made you unpack that 'container of furniture' and cancel your 'one way tickets' for you and your 'family' to your 'partners' country, didn’t it?Actually it was the exaggerated scaremongering about the 'virus' that did that...
And the mental health issues that it has caused has exasperated the problems many people now face!
The only ones not affected so much are those who didn't get taken in by all the irrational 'controls'
There was something in the media about this a few weeks back, I'm too lazy to try and find the source. Referred to young people who don't work, have no intention of working, and share hints & tips via YT channels, WhatsApp etc on how to get as many benefits as possible to fund their non working lifestyle. I think there's even a name that's been given to this 'movement.'
Not sure how many are adopting this way of life so can't comment if it's a crisis or contributing to one.
I've always thought with things like benefits there must be a percentage (of any age) that simply don't want to work. Might be a small percentage but the law of averages and all that. However when folk try to suggest such a thing these days (e.g. on BBC QT) they get shouted down as being an ist. According to the do-gooders, 100% of people on benefits would rather work if they could.
Bullsh1t.
Not sure how many are adopting this way of life so can't comment if it's a crisis or contributing to one.
I've always thought with things like benefits there must be a percentage (of any age) that simply don't want to work. Might be a small percentage but the law of averages and all that. However when folk try to suggest such a thing these days (e.g. on BBC QT) they get shouted down as being an ist. According to the do-gooders, 100% of people on benefits would rather work if they could.
Bullsh1t.
I disagree
what happens is that there are people mostly on the right of politics who stereotype people no benefits as scroungers
they never qualify what percentage.........they just want to lump everybody on benefits as a scroungers
of course there is a percentage who just dont want to work, the feckless: but its not all of them by any means
I think de industrialisation and lowering of taxes under Maggie created opportunities for self employment, but many more didn’t have any work and this contributed to the so called benefits culture. People would prefer living on benefits and maybe making a bit of money on the side legally or otherwise. It was their votes that tipped the balance on brexhit referendum result, but the vacancies that resulted haven’t been filled. So we left the eu on the back of discontent with foreign workers and people see that as a plus.
It's a very poor life for a young single person on benefits. A room in a bedsit and £70 per week to live on.
So some people don't need benefits. Usually relates to unemployment. Can apply to sickness. Catching them out costs money. Generally the feeling has been that there is so little in practice that trying to catch all would cost more than putting up with it.
Sickness. The Tory had the idea of checking all via contracting the job out. You might recollect it didn't work out as the contractors didn't come to sensible decisions. It needs a lot of medical people to do that.
Latest idea. Pass have to see how it works out. Giving someone job advice doesn't mean that the person will get the suggested job type or are suitable for it. Seems some medical aspects creep in again. £7b going into that over several years and not that many people expected to go through some aspects of it each year. The concentration will probably be job advice - probably the cheap part of the idea.
Apprentices. I know of one recent, trade type that was dismissed as soon as he qualified for the full rate. Exams etc ok. Even old style indentured ones were misused by some companies. Those would typically last for 4 years but should produce an employable person at the end. Qualifications might take longer - depending what level was reached. If employed at end companies would pay for the further education. In practice all companies got useful work out of apprentices as soon as they could.
Degrees. It's not unusual for people with those to take a surprisingly long to get a real and suitable job. Then there is the debt associated with it,
Sickness. The Tory had the idea of checking all via contracting the job out. You might recollect it didn't work out as the contractors didn't come to sensible decisions. It needs a lot of medical people to do that.
Latest idea. Pass have to see how it works out. Giving someone job advice doesn't mean that the person will get the suggested job type or are suitable for it. Seems some medical aspects creep in again. £7b going into that over several years and not that many people expected to go through some aspects of it each year. The concentration will probably be job advice - probably the cheap part of the idea.
Apprentices. I know of one recent, trade type that was dismissed as soon as he qualified for the full rate. Exams etc ok. Even old style indentured ones were misused by some companies. Those would typically last for 4 years but should produce an employable person at the end. Qualifications might take longer - depending what level was reached. If employed at end companies would pay for the further education. In practice all companies got useful work out of apprentices as soon as they could.
Degrees. It's not unusual for people with those to take a surprisingly long to get a real and suitable job. Then there is the debt associated with it,
odd how you missed out this bit:Eh?
So emmm, you agree with me then
I disagree
as its not true
you are welcome to provide the evidence
Ordinary Brits who earn a few quid over the limit are hounded and treated as public enemy no1.It is an inflexible system designed to punish people.
Carers threatened with prosecution over minor breaches of UK benefit rules
DWP is forcing tens of thousands of people looking after relatives to repay huge sums after buildup of erroneous overpaymentswww.theguardian.com
Carers threatened with prosecution over minor breaches of UK benefit rules
Meanwhile organised criminals loot the benefit system for over 4 years without being detected.
Millions sent abroad to build Gypsy mansions in Eastern Europe.
The last time it was Romanian Gypsies looting housing benefits to the tune of 5 million , it wouldn't be so bad if they spent their stolen money in the UK and helped the local economy but most of it ends up abroad.
Universal Credit: Gang guilty of large £53.9m benefit fraud - BBC News
Prosecutors describe the case as the biggest ever case of benefit fraud in England and Wales.
www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org
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lol the way some reply to things in this forum, reminds me of good old Pat Ex.
Me: I really enjoyed running up Ben Nevis at the weekend, great fun.
Forum Member: Do you not realise 5 people a year injure themselves doing that very thing?!?
My point related to a group of people that proactively look for ways not to work. They have no intention of working. They seeketh ways to noteth worketh.
That point, the point I have made in the brief paragraph directly above, has diddly squat to do with how comfortably people can or can't live on benefits.
It genuinely makes me laugh that, when referring to a large group of people, the assertion is made that 100% of those in said group fall into the same camp. For example those who assert 100% of able bodied people on benefits would rather work. Ha Ha HAaaaaa.
After reading both your posts, I am still struggling to understand the point you are making.
And I am totally bemused by your (over) reaction to my reply. I was simply adding to the discussion by pointing out what these young people might receive.