NI and Ireland

Mrs Doubtfyre said:
Amnesty International describes the inequality in Israel as Apartheid.

www.amnesty.org

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

A documentary of the Troubles calls it a self-imposed Apartheid in NI.

A 'self-imposed apartheid' in Britain​

www.iwm.org.uk

Why is Northern Ireland divided?

For thirty years, the citizens of Northern Ireland lived through the Troubles. In the third episode of our series on the Troubles, we look at what was it like to live through this conflict, and – just as the situation seemed impossible – how the two sides finally came together for negotiations.
www.iwm.org.uk www.iwm.org.uk

There has been a "Special Relationship" between South Africa and Ireland for many years due to the similarity of the inequality of a whole section of society.
Ireland and South Africa: A Very Special Relationship

In many years of the dominance of the Protestants in the officialdom of NI, it was, in essence, discrimination against Catholics, similar to the apartheid practised in South Africa and Israel.
So I make no apology for describing that historical NI inequality as apartheid.
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There you are, you plonker.
Just for you.

 
Vinty said:
He scrapes the barrel by comparing N. Ireland to South Africa.
In doing so he minimises the suffering of Black South Africans by comparing them to Ulster Roman Catholics.
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You appear to be woefully uninformed on the numerous comparative studies done between NI, South Africa and the Israel - Palestine conflict.
Some of those studies have been academic, some political and some legal. Some sharing their learned experience of resolving long running conflicts. Some have been prior to and during the conflicts, others post resolution.
I've already listed three for your perusal, here's some more. I suggest you become better informed before dismissing them.
I do feel highly honoured that you consider me as part of their esteemed company.

Although the Northern Ireland problem could be compared with numerous cases of ethnic conflict[2], for the purpose of this essay the main focus will be the comparison of Northern Ireland with South Africa, Israel/Palestine, the Basque Country and Corsica both in historical perspective and accessing the role of peace process and how they influenced one another in the international scene. Some reference will also be paid to the cases of Sri Lanka and Cyprus.
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https://www.e-ir.info/2010/09/29/comparing-northern-ireland-with-other-cases-of-ethnic-conflict/

A full test of the generalizability of the organizational mediation theory of protest is beyond the scope of this book. However, preliminary analysis of the South Africa antiapartheid struggle and the Northern Ireland republican movement demonstrates the promise of its broad application. .... ... Each viewed its struggle as that of an indigenous population against dispossession that occurred when another people, facilitated by imperial power, settled their homeland.
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https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...hern-ireland/84FD2EC211B9AF9205E9A7136A8BA7DC


I arrive in Belfast on a chilly morning. I had spent many sleepless nights reading and preparing for the trip to Northern Ireland.
Everyone I'd talked to about what to expect had spoken about the peace lines - physical walls keeping two communities apart.
"There is nothing like it," a colleague who grew up in Belfast had told me.
Growing up in South Africa, segregation was stark, but even I'd never seen anything like it.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49333974


This chapter discusses the conflicts and peace processes in South Africa and Northern Ireland.
In both South Africa and Northern Ireland, the agreement reached produced a constitutional document that claimed to provide the way forward, but which required to be implemented through legislation and ongoing negotiations.
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https://academic.oup.com/book/8377/chapter-abstract/154067925?redirectedFrom=fulltext


IN THE SHADOW OF POLITICAL violence, Northern Ireland and South Africa are seeking to manage a diverse society through transformed public policies and new institutions of governance. The two countries have engaged in negotiation processes to end decades of civil and social conflict.
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https://journals.co.za/doi/pdf/10.10520/AJA0259188X_930


Comparisons between the conflicts in South Africa and Northern Ireland should not be lightly made. However, the two share similarities that shed light on the nature of the conflict in each. The conflicts both in Northern Ireland and in South Africa have much in common,...This much can be said. Both conflicts share common structural characteristics typical of divided societies. The dominant community (Afrikaners in South Africa, Protestants in Northern Ireland) came from settler populations, and the subordinate community (blacks in South Africa, Catholics in Northern Ireland) was indigenous. In both cases, the dominant community asserted an equal claim to the land.
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There's plenty more for your perusal.
 
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Vinty said:
No thanks.
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No prob's. Your choice. I wasn't suggesting you read them immediately, in your own time is sufficient.
But to dismiss worthwhile contributions to open and frank discussion due to a refusal to even consider them is tantamount to blind folly.

In the comparison of the various long-running conflicts with the Israeli - Palestine conflict, I'll leave you with the closing comment of one of the studies:
Consequently, meeting international standards looms large in such situations: Models of what the international community considers legitimate inevitably matter
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https://www.e-ir.info/2010/09/29/comparing-northern-ireland-with-other-cases-of-ethnic-conflict/
 
charliegolf said:
Is this a veiled accusation that a forum member is a child abuser, with the "I never said that" protection hovering in the background for defence?
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Why would you come to that assumption rather than he was religious a nd what are you accusing thousands of priests of . Do you know something we don't or are you just insinuating?
 
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charliegolf said:
Is this a veiled accusation that a forum member is a child abuser, with the "I never said that" protection hovering in the background for defence?
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Exactly that. I have called out Gasser for supporting Trump, a convicted felon and rapist.

His response was to call me a paedophile supporter because he thinks I support Biden, which I don't.

To cap it all, as you have noticed, he has strongly suggested I am a child abuser. He is sick in the head.
 
denso13 said:
Exactly that. I have called out Gasser for supporting Trump, a convicted felon and rapist.

His response was to call me a paedophile supporter because he thinks I support Biden, which I don't.

To cap it all, as you have noticed, he has strongly suggested I am a child abuser. He is sick in the head.
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so its ok for you to throw about the words about supporting rape directly at me and others but when something gets thrown back at you you run to mods .
And how have i strongly suggested that your a child abuser when a religious order was mentioned why would you automatically associate yourself and them with child abuse have you got something you need to get off your chest . Sounds like its you that is sick in the head
 
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