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ajohn said:
LOL Well they have so what's the point of bleating about it. Spilt milk, This general style of rioting isn't new. In the UK it has been relatively rare, Now we have a rapid increase all down to one specific reason and not just the stabbings which are related to the same thing. The simplest word to use is racism but there are side factors such as the boats and people who are here on visas. The counter to trying to do something about racism is often the term woke as far as some are concerned. A broadcaster might illustrate some aspects of racism - oh they are left wing. Really weird as the Tory have always been trying to do something about it.
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What are you blethering about?

This is a forum, maybe Google the definition.

By your reasoning, there's no point mentioning preceding years/decades, even though it might be relevant and contribute to the present.

Jog on ...
 
ajohn said:
LOL Well they have so what's the point of bleating about it. Spilt milk, This general style of rioting isn't new. In the UK it has been relatively rare, Now we have a rapid increase all down to one specific reason and not just the stabbings which are related to the same thing. The simplest word to use is racism but there are side factors such as the boats and people who are here on visas. The counter to trying to do something about racism is often the term woke as far as some are concerned. A broadcaster might illustrate some aspects of racism - oh they are left wing. Really weird as the Tory have always been trying to do something about it.
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Wrong.

They used a lot of words, but did nothing about it.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Think through what you have posted.

What I'm saying is it's a failure of subsequent government's not to have more effective long term strategies around all this stuff. We've pared back services right left centre over past years and then we wonder why the proverbial's hitting the fan, whether crime related, health related, housing related etc.

Anyone with more than three brain cells appreciates it will take years for Labour to start putting all this right, or at least attempt to.
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Why didn't you say that then, rather than what you did?
 
diy_fun_uk said:
By your reasoning, there's no point mentioning preceding years/decades, even though it might be relevant and contribute to the present.
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Ignores an obvious factor - already mentioned really. We need a solution NOW as things are.

That currently is hit the rioters as hard as they currently can. Even new laws would take time to introduce.

Migration levels have a very similar factor. Our population is as it is now. Hindsight is pointless. It is as it is with side issues concerning more.
 
ajohn said:
Ignores an obvious factor - already mentioned really. We need a solution NOW as things are.

That currently is hit the rioters as hard as they currently can. Even new laws would take time to introduce.

Migration levels have a very similar factor. Our population is as it is now. Hindsight is pointless. It is as it is with side issues concerning more.
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Eh?!?

What?!?
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Eh?!?

What?!?
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Because at first you said:

- without the infrastructure there in the first place, it's laughable to say you'll do anything about crime

but, when questioned on this, changed your position to

- our lack of infrastructure is due to repeated governmental failures

which, while true, has little relevance to whether SK commits to punish criminals.



In short, I disagree with your first post, and agree with your second.
 
Brigadier said:
Because at first you said:

- without the infrastructure there in the first place, it's laughable to say you'll do anything about crime

but, when questioned on this, changed your position to

- our lack of infrastructure is due to repeated governmental failures

which, while true, has little relevance to whether SK commits to punish criminals.



In short, I disagree with your first post, and agree with your second.
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Nope. If you're going to quote me, quote me properly. What I said was:

As others have touched on including the OP, it's all very well coming out with tough rhetoric on crime, however when we don't have the infrastructure to back this up, it's almost laughable.

This statement is factually correct. The PM can of course pull whatever levers, however the infrastructure as a whole limits the overall effectiveness of his actions.
 
Yes, the damage to public services caused by Conservative policies will take time and money to put right.

I'm willing to pay a bit more tax to help the nation.

I know somebody who isn't.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Nope. If you're going to quote me, quote me properly. What I said was:

As others have touched on including the OP, it's all very well coming out with tough rhetoric on crime, however when we don't have the infrastructure to back this up, it's almost laughable.

This statement is factually correct.
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Only if you believe every person in prison should be there.

According the The Prison Reform Trust, almost 40% of prison places are for those on remand.

That's the best part of 40000 prison places.

There are people in prison who needn't be, and people walking around freely who really should be banged up.
 
I wonder if cuts to the Justice system had any effect.
 
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