Stop the Boats, clear the Asylum backlog.

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motorbiking said:
Yes - though the Beeb version is not the best..

There is more detail in this version https://apnews.com/article/france-u...nel-crossing-b09e35709e13d7c5677dbd717934b080

Anyone got the original report ?

It really doesn't say much and I certainly found nothing to support @JohnD's claim that they were short on intel related to gangs operating in Britain.
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Frogs need millions from us or they can't see what's going on in and around Calais.
£44m wasn't enough , that had to go on "microwaves and phone chargers" so we're sending half a BILLION quid over 3 years.
That should be enough to fund some drones and patrols. Confiscate the boats and engines, send the crims back to crimland.
Can't fail, unless of course French would rather get rid of the migrants to , say, Britain.

They seem to be overwhelmingly successful in stopping the boats at the moment, or the migrants are not so keen to get here - the weather's putting them off?
Or the peeps doing the counting CBA any more:
Perhaps the reason for lack of intelligence from the UK is that they couldn't find any. People with intelligence or without. ??

HMG figures:

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No illegals this entire week have avoided being sent to Rwanda. The Rwanda policy is working.
 
Justin Passing said:
Frogs need millions from us or they can't see what's going on in and around Calais.
£44m wasn't enough , that had to go on "microwaves and phone chargers" so we're sending half a BILLION quid over 3 years.
That should be enough to fund some drones and patrols. Confiscate the boats and engines, send the crims back to crimland.
Can't fail, unless of course French would rather get rid of the migrants to , say, Britain.

They seem to be overwhelmingly successful in stopping the boats at the moment, or the migrants are not so keen to get here - the weather's putting them off?
Or the peeps doing the counting CBA any more:
Perhaps the reason for lack of intelligence from the UK is that they couldn't find any. People with intelligence or without. ??

HMG figures:

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No illegals this entire week have avoided being sent to Rwanda. The Rwanda policy is working.
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Are you in a weatherless bubble over the last few days?
 
motorbiking said:
Yes - though the Beeb version is not the best..

There is more detail in this version https://apnews.com/article/france-u...nel-crossing-b09e35709e13d7c5677dbd717934b080

Anyone got the original report ?

It really doesn't say much and I certainly found nothing to support @JohnD's claim that they were short on intel related to gangs operating in Britain.
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This bit seems relevant


Concerning the ways in which the migrants are arriving, the references or serial numbers of boats or engines, and the nationalities, the information seems very fragmented," the court concluded.


If we have ANY intelligence that might help, why aren't we sharing it ?

But let's keep blaming anybody we can
 
I would agree that we should share ANY information that might help, but there is nothing to conclude we don't.

I don't know if you've seen the photos of the custom build illegal immigrant boats, which are apparently being manufactured in China or Germany and smuggled in to France, but they aren't the sort of boats that would have a serial number. I also very much doubt the traffickers register these vessels in accordance with French maritime law.

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But clearly there are some commercial vessels being used.


So its one thing to say we aren't sharing, its another to say, more work needs to be done to gather intel.

Frustratingly it's costing £500k a year to store them. Some of them seem very serviceable and could easily be auctioned off.

Most look like this:

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Either we are sharing ANY information we have that may or may not help.

If we aren't then I understand the French comment.

You may think it's OK to blame others regardless
 
It was a comment of fact
motorbiking said:
Wouldn’t you expect them to have better intelligence about criminal activity in France rather than rely on british intelligence?
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Thats not blame, thats simply a comment that operationally they are more likely to have better intel on criminal activity in France.

You do note that the claims of "poor collaboration" are disputed?

So it's disputed that we aren't sharing ANY intel.
 
motorbiking said:
It was a comment of fact


Thats not blame, thats simply a comment that operationally they are more likely to have better intel on criminal activity in France.

You do note that the claims of "poor collaboration" are disputed?

So it's disputed that we aren't sharing ANY intel.
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Hard of thinking again.
 
Not downloading that on my phone.

Anything in there that makes you think that we are sharing everything we can
 
My French is better spoken than read..

But this is the key paragraph. p40 / 41

Malgré la déclaration commune des ministres de l’intérieur français et britannique du 14 novembre 2022, qui se sont engagés à améliorer le travail de démantèlement de la criminalité organisée et des réseaux, la Cour a constaté que les Britanniques ne communiquent pas de renseignements exploitables sur les départs des « small boats » et donnent des informations de premier niveau, très générales et non recoupées. Concernant les conditions d’arrivées des migrants, les références ou numéros de série des bateaux et des moteurs, les nationalités, les informations semblent très parcellaires. La relation entre la France et le Royaume-Uni est donc déséquilibrée en termes d’échanges d’informations et de renseignements.

The summary is - they have 8 people dedicated and we have 7 and they aren't getting enough good quality information about the state of the migrants, the serial numbers of the boats and the collaboration is therefore unbalanced in the exchange of information. i.e. they tell us more than we tell them.

When you read it, it does seem true that the reports are quite old.
 
How are they forced by us?

Would you also agree that a burglar is forced to rob houses to feed his desire to buy illegal drugs?
 
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