Wales becomes Trumpton

RandomGrinch · 30 Sep 2023

motorbiking said:
Just seems a bit daft to change them all and then let councils have to deal with changing them back.

Agreed.

motorbiking said:
Would have been better to just change the ones that were sensible.

But is this the most pragmatic approach, given the complexities involved?
Given the thousands of residential roads in my densely populated part of South Wales, is there an easier way to change the limit for swathes of residential roads?

motorbiking · 30 Sep 2023

The only complexity was that, they had no power to change limits on a case by case basis. So they used a big hammer. Its the same with Sunak, unless he changes the law, he has no power to stop councils changing local speed limits.

charliegolf · 30 Sep 2023

motorbiking said:
At the moment more people have signed the petition to scrap the blanket change than voted for labour in regional elections.

I'll save any humble pie for the Tory landslide...

charliegolf · 30 Sep 2023

motorbiking said:
These are a restricted roads

If they were in Wales, the speed limit would be 20mph as a result of the SI that changed the speed limit for all restricted roads. Not just some, not just those in residential areas, not just those where pedestrians are. ALL restricted roads = blanket change - simples

Not true at all, and disingenuous to suggest. I suspect that you have, in your back pocket the claim that 'they would be 20 if not modified. By default, you're also suggesting the roads in the pics are currently 30. They won't be.

motorbiking · 30 Sep 2023

Is there a system of street lights spaced less than 183m apart?
Are there any speed limit repeater signs to override the restricted road rule?

Maybe you'd like to tell me why they would not be restricted roads?

Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984

An Act to consolidate the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967 and certain related enactments, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission.

www.legislation.gov.uk

Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984

An Act to consolidate the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967 and certain related enactments, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission.

www.legislation.gov.uk

subject to a 30mph speed limit in England and now a 20mph speed limit in Wales.

charliegolf · 1 Oct 2023

You know full well the roads in your pics are not 30mph; and that they wouldn't therefore be 20mph in Wales.

motorbiking · 1 Oct 2023

Rubbish.

They are restricted roads. Anyone can see that by looking at them.

How you could be caught out and fined for speeding on roads with street lights

BRITISH drivers could be caught out by a clause in the Highway Code that changes the speed limit on certain roads. While different types of road have standard set speeds, along with the national sp…

www.thesun.co.uk

30mph in England. 20mph in wales. See how crazy it is to have a blanket change to the speed limit?

Roy Bloom · 1 Oct 2023

motorbiking said:
These are a restricted roads

If they were in Wales, the speed limit would be 20mph as a result of the SI that changed the speed limit for all restricted roads. Not just some, not just those in residential areas, not just those where pedestrians are. ALL restricted roads = blanket change - simples

And where are those roads?
They are obviously not in Wales. So they would,not be affected by the Welsh speed limit.

noseall · 1 Oct 2023

All UK public highways are speed restricted one way or another.

motorbiking · 1 Oct 2023

Until recently we had a common speed limit for all restricted roads in the UK. Now we don't.

I still don't understand why Mark Drakeford is claiming it isn't a blanket change.. That is exactly what it is when you change the speed limit for all restricted roads. You don't have to be a genius to work out that if journey times are only 1 minute longer then your journey could only have been 1 mile to start with. Either that or people are ignoring the limit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1708403204847808885

DP · 1 Oct 2023

motorbiking said:
Did you appreciate that they are not modifying each road one by one, but are changing the primary legislation that sets the speed limit on a restricted road. That is to say all road with a system of street lights spaced less 183m apart shall have a 20mph limit. That could be a dual carriage way.

Does the limit apply to cyclists and E-bike?

motorbiking · 1 Oct 2023

nope

Assuming e-bike is electrically assisted bicycle and not an electric moped.

speed limits apply to mechanically propelled vehicles only.

RandomGrinch · 1 Oct 2023

motorbiking said:
You don't have to be a genius to work out that if journey times are only 1 minute longer then your journey could only have been 1 mile to start with. Either that or people are ignoring the limit.

Or the majority of journeys through these built up areas never really got above 20mph to begin with?

Or (as in my area), there are 30mph corridors that have been 'opted out' by my council, meaning the distance travelled in a 20mph zone might only be 1/3 of a mile before getting to a corridor?

motorbiking · 1 Oct 2023

Even congested roads calm down at certain times of the day.

If there is no impact the busses wont be impacted..

Impact on punctuality
On Wednesday, a spokesman for Arriva Wales said: “Arriva has been closely monitoring its timetables since the 20mph speed limit has come into force and is planning a review of its networks. “So far, there has been an impact on punctuality as journey times have lengthened, which has been particularly noticeable on longer journeys or those connecting towns. “This is creating challenging operational conditions. “We are undertaking a large-scale review of the network and it’s going to a require a combination of additional resource, changes to frequencies and changes to routes to improve punctuality so we can better serve our customers.

“It is early days and we need more time to assess the data before making a final decision on the network.”

Welsh 20mph limit makes buses late and could lead to cuts in services

Provider Arriva announces a 'large-scale review' as the new speed restriction wrecks timetables and lengthens journey times

www.telegraph.co.uk

RandomGrinch · 1 Oct 2023

motorbiking said:
If there is no impact the busses wont be impacted..

Now that really is a false equivalence!

Are you really trying to say that an average car journey is comparable to a bus route?
Yes, bus timetables will be effected by a slower speed limit. That is inevitable.

And I'm reminded of the this post...

motorbiking said:
In a few months time, the stats will be in and they will show increases in accidents in 20 zones and decreases in accidents in 30 zones.

Yes, completely correct, if most of the 30 zones are now 20, where will most of the accidents be occurring?