Wales becomes Trumpton

correct* - they are not restricted roads. They are "other" roads.

*noting that in Wales its 30,40,50 60 etc as 20 is the new limit for all restricted roads.
 
There is a lot of confusion between restricted and limited, I grant you.

But a limit is a restriction of speed
 
Nobody is suggesting we have roads without speed limits. What you need to understand is the origin of the limit. First came the limit for restricted roads, then came the mechanism for setting limits on other roads and lastly came the national speed limit for everything else.

Getting back on topic. Only 3% of the 37% of roads have been reset to 30mph, in Wales

So yes its a blanket limit as it changes the speed limit for all restricted roads and it doesn't look like many were reset. Pretty naff really given, the research that says it doesn't work (previously posted).
 
I was driving at 20mph the other day in one of our many local speed restrictions in Essex, and at no point did I fill this was a hindrance to my travels. Yes, it felt a bit slow, and yes, I was a bit annoyed at the people travelling at around 17mph because they don't realise the analogue speedometer is wrong, but it wasn't so bad.
 
Brigadier said:
On arterial-type roads, where traffic volume is the primary factor in "efficiency".
30mph roads have too many other confounding factors - crossings, parked vehicles, junctions and side roads, etc - for this to be a factor of any practical significance.
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Not sure I'm following you.
Arterial roads are only one classification below Freeways.
I agree that some arterial roads in cities may be heavy traffic, with many pedestrians and cyclists. If that is the case, there's an argument for diverting the traffic around such areas.
Back to the old adage, design for the pedestrians and cyclists, not for the motorist.

Then I'm not sure what point you're making with the 30mph and compounding factors.
 
Brigadier said:
When you use the "concertina effect" as a rationale for the lowering of speed limits (from 30 to 20; the whole point of this thread), the feeling is very much mutual.
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I'm not, and I wasn't. The reduction of the concertina effect on traffic, causing stop-start motoring, is an incidental benefit of the reduced speed limit. As is the reduction in pollution, the reduction of stress, etc.
It isn't the primary rationale for lowering speed limits in Wales. That primary rationale is to reduce accidents and injuries.
It is, on motorways, the primary reason for imposing a temporary speed limit, and it's benefits are evident. But not so the 20mph limit in Wales.
 
motorbiking said:
You’re welcome.
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Last time I looked Belfast wasn't in Wales. And as I've pointed out before the circumstances of the Belfast trial were totally different to the scenarios in Wales. So the Belfast trial is not relevant to the new Welsh speed limit.
 
If you read it, it cites many cities with similar results. Are you suggesting people in wales are less able to drive safely?

There is a reason that 20 zones were subject to the guidelines “must be self enforcing” when they were first introduced.
 
Roy Bloom said:
I'm not, and I wasn't. The reduction of the concertina effect on traffic, causing stop-start motoring, is an incidental benefit of the reduced speed limit. As is the reduction in pollution, the reduction of stress, etc.
It isn't the primary rationale for lowering speed limits in Wales. That primary rationale is to reduce accidents and injuries.
It is, on motorways, the primary reason for imposing a temporary speed limit, and it's benefits are evident. But not so the 20mph limit in Wales.
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Are you deliberately talking boll@x? Does this actually say what you want it to say?
 
charliegolf said:
Anyone on this thread had a drive around Wales yet? Thought not. The country has not ground to a halt. Not all restricted roads are 20mph- whatever Motorbiking says, they're not. It's a nothingburger.
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It’s what the law says. If they are not 20mph they aren’t restricted roads.

Why are 450,000 people living in wales getting upset about a nothing burger. Why has the wienerdog’s twitter exploded?

Why did ITV wales poll reveal that just 33 percent of people support the policy, versus 61 percent opposed to it?

Why did wales online’s own poll show 90% against?

These stupid policies have a habit of spreading and there is zero benefit. It needs to be called out.
 
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