Nigel did well..

Nigel is a one trick pony and that trick is immigration.
What about all the other stuff, the NHS, housing, ect.
 
Vinty said:
Nigel is a one trick pony and that trick is immigration.
What about all the other stuff, the NHS, housing, ect.
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All parties play tricks before they issue their manifestos.
We'll see how the polls react when the manifestos get issued next week.
 
Vinty said:
Nigel is a one trick pony and that trick is immigration.
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News from the EU. A bit infested with them. Where they have won on local leader elections no real changes.

Some have dropped the voting age to 16,17. High support for right wing+ views. Put down to social media use by the parties. This will figure more than it has before here for our election.

The EU has MEP elections coming up.

The rather left wing bloke in Greece found his country had to take it's "punishment" a while ago now. The economics have to stack up. Same for the right+.
 
algas said:
And he would be right !
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I guess that puts you in the garbage racist/xenophobic camp
(he's a complete hypocrite btw ;) )

Imagine if you wanted to go to another country and racists/xenophobes prevented you from doing so...

What would you think?
 
Vinty said:
Nigel is a one trick pony and that trick is immigration.
What about all the other stuff, the NHS, housing, ect.
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It worked for brexhit because it was a single issue vote. Far-rage is a dreamer not a doer, his track record in domestic politics is failure. How dumb do you have to be to vote reform because you don't like the toreys.
 
I don't particularly like farage for one specific reason. The vast majority of what he says is absolutely true but, and this is a big BUT, he supports and is friendly with trump. Trump is an out and out dictator and any friends of his are dictators themselves IMO. For this reason I will not vote for farage. Unfortunately that leaves me with my only choice of not voting for anyone.
 
Notch7 said:
Nigel would say: it would all be better if we stopped foreigners coming here.
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I agree with Farage that immigration should be restricted but the problem is that if you stop immigration, how do you then fill the labour gaps in the economy.
This is the problem with populists, they maximise one side of the problem while minimising or even ignoring the consequences of their solutions.
 
I said in another thread, part of me would love to see Reform gain power and become our next government.

Why?

To see exactly what they would do once in power with things like immigration. I suspect they'd find delivering on all their hardline rhetoric would be far easier said than done.

How many people in the UK would actually cheer if we forced a small boat back and it sank, with all on board dying perhaps including women and children.

Be careful what you wish for with folk like Farage.

And if anyone thinks a party like Reform would do better with things like health, education then you're deluded.
 
ellal said:
I guess that puts you in the garbage racist/xenophobic camp
(he's a complete hypocrite btw ;) )

Imagine if you wanted to go to another country and racists/xenophobes prevented you from doing so...

What would you think?
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But we're not foreigners.

It's all the others
 
algas said:
And he would be right !
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By how much???? That's an important aspect. £ Millions get mentioned but when compared with the total are not that much at all.

The government spends huge amounts of money each year on our behalf. In 2022–23, UK government spending was almost £1,200 billion, or around £17,000 per person. This was equivalent to around 45% of GDP.
Yet things are falling over. Forecast
  • how much money the public sector will raise from taxes and other sources of revenue. In 2024-25, we expect it to raise £1,139 billion, equivalent to around £39,000 per household or 40.9 per cent of national income.
  • how much it will spend on things like public services, state pensions and debt interest. In 2024-25, we expect it to spend £1,226 billion, equivalent to around £42,000 per household or 44.0 per cent of national income.
  • whether it will spend more or less than it raises – in other words whether it will run a budget deficit or surplus. In 2024-25, we expect a deficit of £87.2 billion. Because the growth in receipts outpaces that of spending, we expect the deficit to fall over the next five years to reach £39.4 billion.
  • how much will be added to – or paid off – the national debt in each year. In 2024-25, we expect debt to be equivalent to 98.8 per cent of national income. It is equivalent to around £2.7 trillion or £96,000 per household. We expect the ratio of net debt to national income is at its peak in 2024-25 before falling gradually to reach 94.3 per cent in 2028-29. In cash terms we expect it to stand at £3.1 trillion by then. Taking out the effect of Bank of England (BoE) loans to banks and building societies, the debt ratio is expected to peak at 93.2 per cent in 2027-28 before falling slightly to stand at 92.9 per cent of national income in 2028-29.
The GDP % debt is based on assuming certain levels of inflation over the next 5 years and assumes a drop at that point. There is a margin for error but compared with GDP it is not a lot.

Add to this Labour's comment no quick fixes are possible also why the Tory might say they will increase taxation. Fact is any party in power may run up against that problem.

There is another aspect as well. Where the money from the pot goes, % to various sectors etc. That is determined by the party in power, A new party can only hope there is slack in it in some areas and if so move it around as required. More tax from some where is needed but not vis the public other than fiscal drag - some is likely. Frozen allowances.

So by all means don't vote or vote for the loonies. The circumstances wont change.

Mess the ecconomics up and along will come another Trussaster.


 
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