Paris Olympics, Womens Boxing

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Except it's not that simple

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At last an acceptance that mistakes in sexing babies is accepted by you.

Except sometimes there aren't.

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And there probably wasn't in Algeria a few years ago.



But Gender is. And Gender is not a permanent status.


Yes, hence the gender reassignment laws.

If the assignment of sex was wrong and is later diagnosed as a mistake, it is not always advisable or desirable to correct it.
Many doctors advise against it in some cases.. And the gender can be reassigned.


A man that appeared to be male at birth might in fact be a woman, and vice versa.
Man and woman are genders as well as sexes.
A man can become a woman, and vice versa.

But the fact that you have now started to add the word 'biological' in your silly dog whistle phrases means we are making progress, from your earlier versions of "a man is not a woman".
It means that you are beginning to accept that 'man' and 'woman' are both sexes and genders.

Do you not get bored doing these multi quote replies?

It's evident you're in the camp of saying black whenever someone else says white, just to keep the debate/argument going.

Very tiresome ...

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

That is the exact point. 9/10 trans are not "in the wrong body" because someone "made an error" when "assigning" them a sex.

kinda kills your whole argument though.

You make an incorrect assumption that all DSD sufferers have been diagnosed.
Not all DSD conditions or sufferers are diagnosed.
The very existence of DSD proves there is a genuine need for transitioning processes for some people to live as normal a life as possible.
And if that process exists, and some feel the need to go through that process, why should they be prevented from doing so?
Everyone has the right to live their preferred role in society, as long as that role is not illegal or risk harm to themselves or others.

If it was a precondition of being a DSD sufferer would reduce a minority group to a smaller minority.
The act of reducing a minority group to an ever decreasing number is not the way for a civilised society to behave.
And as people changes their minds about politics, religion, having children, getting married, etc, it's sensible to have a process that reassignment of gender is possible.

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

Do you not get bored doing these multi quote replies?

It's evident you're in the camp of saying black whenever someone else says white, just to keep the debate/argument going.

Very tiresome ...

You're not obliged to participate.

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

The law wouldn't rule that something is anything if it isn't.

Rwanda is a safe country.

That wasn't a legal judgement. It was a political control of the courts.
It was never tested, and probably would have been overturned, if not in the UK courts, certainly in the ECHR.

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

Second trans woman wins against an actual woman. What a complete farce and a disgrace to the Olympics. Shame on all those who authorised this.

Fresh female boxing controversy as fighter defeats opponent

Sitora Turdibekova, 22, refused to shake hands with controversial opponent Lin Yu-Ting in a move which was being as a protest against the Taipei's involvement.

www.dailymail.co.uk

For yours and JohnD's perusal

Khelif has always competed in the women's division and is recognised by the IOC as a female athlete.

"The Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female, has a female passport," IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said on Friday.

Olympic boxing: Angela Carini says she wants to apologise to Imane Khelif

Angela Carini says she "wants to apologise" to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif after there was no handshake at the end of their Olympic fight.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

Second trans woman wins against an actual woman. What a complete farce and a disgrace to the Olympics. Shame on all those who authorised this.

Fresh female boxing controversy as fighter defeats opponent

Sitora Turdibekova, 22, refused to shake hands with controversial opponent Lin Yu-Ting in a move which was being as a protest against the Taipei's involvement.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And of course her greater height and longer reach had no effect whatsoever.

Bouncing around the ring above Turdibekova, she made a series of explosive punches against the Uzbekistan as she found her range and used her superior reach to rain punches from further away

Fresh female boxing controversy as fighter defeats opponent

Sitora Turdibekova, 22, refused to shake hands with controversial opponent Lin Yu-Ting in a move which was being as a protest against the Taipei's involvement.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Andydevon]

I am a man so it's not my place to call what a woman is or judge what they can do with their bodies. I will let that be done by those more qualified.

Nicola Adams slams decision to allow Imane Khelif at Olympics

A massive row broke out at the Paris games this week after Khelif, who has lived since birth as a female, fought Italian rival Angela Carini in a bout that lasted just 46 seconds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

or this

JK Rowling slams Olympic boxing match after woman quits in 46 seconds

A global backlash, led by Italy's prime minister and Harry Potter author JK Rowling, ensued after Angela Carini quit to 'save my life' just 46 seconds into her bout against Algerian opponent.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

I am a man so it's not my place to call what a woman is or judge what they can do with their bodies. I will let that be done by those more qualified.

Nicola Adams slams decision to allow Imane Khelif at Olympics

A massive row broke out at the Paris games this week after Khelif, who has lived since birth as a female, fought Italian rival Angela Carini in a bout that lasted just 46 seconds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

She Khelif, was born a woman.

Taking to social media on Friday morning, Ms Adams wrote: 'I stand with Angela Carini.
'After years of fighting for women's boxing to even exist in the Olympics and then all the training they go through to get there it was hard to watch another fighter be forced [to] give up on her Olympic dreams.
'People not born as biological women,....

Nicola Adams slams decision to allow Imane Khelif at Olympics

A massive row broke out at the Paris games this week after Khelif, who has lived since birth as a female, fought Italian rival Angela Carini in a bout that lasted just 46 seconds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Khelif has always competed in the women's division and is recognised by the International IOC as a female athlete.

"The Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female, has a female passport," IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said on Friday.

"This is not a transgender case. There has been some confusion that somehow it's a man fighting a woman, this is just not the case. On that there is consensus, scientifically this is not a man fighting a woman."

Olympics 2024 boxing controversy: What we know and what we don't know

The IOC's decision to allow the entry of two athletes, that are said to have failed gender eligibility tests, has proved controversial.

www.bbc.co.uk

JK Rowling slams Olympic boxing match after woman quits in 46 seconds

A global backlash, led by Italy's prime minister and Harry Potter author JK Rowling, ensued after Angela Carini quit to 'save my life' just 46 seconds into her bout against Algerian opponent.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A fuming JK Rowling last night slammed an Olympic boxing match as 'a man beating a women in public for entertainment'

JK Rowling slams Olympic boxing match after woman quits in 46 seconds

A global backlash, led by Italy's prime minister and Harry Potter author JK Rowling, ensued after Angela Carini quit to 'save my life' just 46 seconds into her bout against Algerian opponent.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"This is not a transgender case. There has been some confusion that somehow it's a man fighting a woman, this is just not the case. On that there is consensus, scientifically this is not a man fighting a woman."

Olympics 2024 boxing controversy: What we know and what we don't know

The IOC's decision to allow the entry of two athletes, that are said to have failed gender eligibility tests, has proved controversial.

www.bbc.co.uk

Andydevon thinks that JK Rowling is better qualified to determine what sex a boxer is.

 

[Andydevon]

I may well be underqualified to say what a woman is but hell I do know what a complete knob is when I see one Himmy.

 

[Mrs Doubtfyre]

I may well be underqualified to say what a woman is but hell I do know what a complete knob is when I see one Himmy.

You're underqualified for imaginative responses as well.

 

[Andydevon]

Himmy let us see

Have you been banned from this forum under your other identities for

- racism
- antisemitism
- support of a prescribed terrorist group
-Trolling

or any other combination of the above.

pray do tell us?

But that is before you get banned for the nonsense you spout about what a woman is.

 

[ajohn]

The IOC have a bit of a problem. Banned under one set of rules, discussions and the rules change.. The BBC mentioned that in some sports areas the rules are more stringent. It seems the IBA banned her previously.

Most probably know that testosterone does do certain things to the body. What they may not know is that levels can vary in a woman. They clutch onto mass media rumours instead.

Do Women Have Testosterone? What It Does, Normal Levels, More

Estrogen is the hormone most often associated with women. But do women have testosterone as well? We'll tell you why testosterone plays an important role in all bodies.

www.healthline.com

 

[Brigadier]

Just have a separate category.

Foxy boxing.

Sorted

 

[yorksbuilder]

It's a total farce. Best if all the women refuse to fight and see what happens. Stupid woke IOC

 

[ajohn]

Testosterone weight fights rather than the usual body weight or both? More groups more medals - if they can find enough high women.

I'd guess that the result will be limits based on what are known to be the norms. That may be what the IBA used.

International Boxing Association (IBA) President Umar Kremlev has blasted the national federations who broke away from the body to form a new world boxing federation, describing the officials as “black sheep” and “hyenas” who do not belong in sport.
A group, including the United States and the United Kingdom, announced a new federation – World Boxing – last month in a breakaway aimed at securing the troubled sport’s Olympic future while seeking recognition from the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

IBA slams ‘black sheep’ breakaway body as schism roils boxing

A new world boxing federation was announced last month in a move aimed at securing the troubled sport’s Olympic future.

www.aljazeera.com

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