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Sunak made up a blatant lie on the £2000

Starmer should’ve said: “The debate won’t continue until this has been addressed and the lie challenged and exposed”



I’m sick to death of politicians getting away with blatant lies and the media not calling it out.
 
Odds said:
Why do the main parties ignore the elephant in the room?
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Because it's toxic. Done and dusted, spilt milk, The Greens are mentioning it and left wing views tax wise. Rejoin eventually. LOL How many moons away.
No mention - wrong. Starmer - make Brexit work, That has caused some rejoin by stealth comments. Suitable thing to state in a manifesto? Not really as negotiations and a study is needed.
 
Odds said:
If that's the case then one of 'em should point out how Bre*it has contributed to the decline in living standards and the rise in the cost of living.
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Green Party are saying that

So is SNP

Not sure about lib dems

But EU membership didn’t solve our structural problems so rejoining won’t either.
 
It isn't about rejoining the EU, it's more on the issue of "what has Bre*it ever done for us?"
 
I chuckled when Rishi was answering the first question and said to the lady in the audience 'the finances of everyone have been under strain over the last few years ...'

Whilst that might technically be true, the strain is slightly different for multi-millionaires vs those with little to nowt.
 
So £2k was a complete lie. Liars gonna lie and dogs gonna believe the lies.

www.theguardian.com

Treasury queries Sunak’s £2,000 tax claim he used in general election debate – UK politics live

The PM claimed ‘independent Treasury officials’ were behind a claim that Labour would raise taxes for every family by £2,000
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.bbc.co.uk

Official says Tory tax claim wasn't produced by civil service

It risks undermining Rishi Sunak's claim Labour's plans would mean £2,000 of tax rises for families.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Notch7 said:
Sunak made up a blatant lie on the £2000

Starmer should’ve said: “The debate won’t continue until this has been addressed and the lie challenged and exposed”



I’m sick to death of politicians getting away with blatant lies and the media not calling it out.
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Lying has no conseqence - its a succesful policy - Boris we are going to have the best deal.

Imagine a dr or nurse lying to a patient, imagine an airline pilot lying to those on the plane.

Imagine a teacher lying about your kids.
 
Matthew Parris sums it up nicely in this headline. If we have long term low growth and an ageing population, then I'm not sure anyone has an answer.

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John Crace summed it thus:

It was something of a relief when it was all over. Performative politics, nothing more. Light entertainment. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. Both sides would say they had won, because that’s what always happens. As far as the studio audience was concerned, Starmer shaded it. But most of the country was probably watching Netflix.

I watched 3Body Problem. Much more entertaining.
 
JonathanM said:
Matthew Parris sums it up nicely in this headline. If we have long term low growth and an ageing population, then I'm not sure anyone has an answer.

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There is an answer. Tax reform.

Currently we have an
aging population
increasing dependency ratio
low investment both public and private
falling birth rates
barriers to trade with our closest partners

Tory policies do not address any of these and simply make them worse, Labour policies are just less crap.
 
"Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour would put up household taxes by £2,000 suffered a serious blow on Wednesday, when the figure was undermined by the chief civil servant at the Treasury.

James Bowler, Treasury permanent secretary, poured cold water on Sunak’s claim made in a fiery television debate with Sir Keir Starmer that the figure was based on independent analysis of Labour’s plans by civil servants.

Bowler wrote to Darren Jones, shadow Treasury chief secretary, to say that the figures used by Sunak “include costs beyond those provided by the civil service and published online by HM Treasury”.

He added in the letter dated June 3: “I agree that any costings derived from other sources or produced by other organisations should not be presented as having been produced by the civil service. I have reminded ministers and advisers that this should be the case.”

FT.com
 
JohnD said:
"Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour would put up household taxes by £2,000 suffered a serious blow on Wednesday, when the figure was undermined by the chief civil servant at the Treasury.

James Bowler, Treasury permanent secretary, poured cold water on Sunak’s claim made in a fiery television debate with Sir Keir Starmer that the figure was based on independent analysis of Labour’s plans by civil servants.

Bowler wrote to Darren Jones, shadow Treasury chief secretary, to say that the figures used by Sunak “include costs beyond those provided by the civil service and published online by HM Treasury”.

He added in the letter dated June 3: “I agree that any costings derived from other sources or produced by other organisations should not be presented as having been produced by the civil service. I have reminded ministers and advisers that this should be the case.”

FT.com
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Too late the right wing rags ran with the lie - you think the rebuttal will be front page news tomorrow?
 
SirGalahad said:
So £2k was a complete lie. Liars gonna lie and dogs gonna believe the lies.
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Tax and spending related. I appears that Labour intend to boost the power of the OBR. Their view will figure in decisions and not after the event. To me it sounds similar to Brown's change to how the BofE works trying to make it independent of politics. Reason the same - modern economics. The BofE is a major control of that. The OBR would add controls to what the governing party can do. A 2ndry check on if the books balance.
 
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